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Tuesday, November 06, 2007

Step Out of The Matrix with "Zeitgeist"

My last post touted Michael Moore's film "Sicko" as one of the best films of the year, and it still is, however, it has now found its long lost twin in "Zeitgeist." Prepare to watch what may be the most informative, revolutionary films regarding religion and politics to recently hit the web. What place does astro-theology have on the New Testament? How similar are the basic narratives of pagan gods to the biography of Jesus? Does the official 9-11 story really add up? What is the federal reserve and why is it seen as an economic monster that drowns the U.S in perpetual debt? What exactly is the vision of our political leadership? Is a police state forming without our notice? Watch and see what you think.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...


What did you think about the part on the Bible and it simply being a concoction of plagerized pagan myths?

11/08/2007 7:26 PM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

I think to say simply would be an oversimplification :-)

11/12/2007 12:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

More specifically, is Jesus Christ really a myth or a flesh and blood historical figure?

11/13/2007 9:20 AM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

I am of the opinion that Jesus of Nazareth is a historical figure who has been engrandized by his followers in a similar way that Ceasars were mythified.

11/13/2007 11:09 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In your mind, then, he was not really the 2nd Adam, who lived the sinless life, died, and was resurrected?

11/13/2007 8:52 PM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

First of all, how would we ever know if a person living 2000 years ago never committed an immoral action? Of course he died. That a human being resurrected from the dead is an extraordinary claim, even if we grant that there is good historical evidence for this claim, it is not extraordinary. In other words, if you knew me (who knows if you do Mr. anonymous), and I claimed Osama Bin Laden was tied up in my garage, you would still require extraordinary evidence, in other words, you would demand to see such a thing to believe it. This claim would not even require the supernatural. If Jesus was raised, I believe God would not want me to believe it because the evidence needed to justify that claim is lacking.

11/13/2007 9:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


We have eyewitnesses that attest to the resurrection who wrote about it, don't we?

11/14/2007 8:25 AM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

The gospels do not claim to be eyewitnesses, but like Luke, are taking earlier accounts like Q, and passed down tradition to come up with an account of what happened. Paul had a post resurrection experience, but he did not see Jesus being rasied from the dead. Third, my earlier point is that for something of that nature to be justifiably believed today, you yourself should require to see the risen Christ. You should not believe me if I claim to have nuclear weapons in my backyard. You should demand to see it because it is such a lofty claim. Does this make sense?

11/14/2007 4:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't Matthew an eyewitness to Jesus' death and later when he was alive?

11/15/2007 9:33 AM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

Where does the gospel we attribute to Matthew claim to be an eyewitness? Does it say, "I saw Jesus alive after he died?" I don't think so, but I'd be interested if this was the case.

11/18/2007 4:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about 1 Peter 5:1?

11/18/2007 8:44 PM

Blogger Nick said...

Enjoyed reviewing your Blog Postings - thanks for sharing your thoughts.


1/28/2008 7:44 PM

Anonymous Brian said...

See the following link for a refutation of Zeitgeist. Don't believe everything you see. Be truly open minded with the truth. Conspiracy theories grow through ignorance.

3/13/2008 6:26 PM

Anonymous Brian said...

Add this link to the previous comment, Sorry:

3/13/2008 6:27 PM

Anonymous Harpoonlfyby said...

Btw, I quickly wiki'd some of the claims of the mythical figures he ranted off in the first 16 mins. Dionysus was the "creator of wine". Though, there doesn't seem to be an explicit claim that he had turned water into wine - as the narrator suggest. Seems he has bent these stories to serve particular aim. I would have to hold the other claims suspect as well. I may want to agree with the gist of the documentary, but sadly it isn't diligent enough to take it serious

5/09/2008 3:24 PM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

It seems the the religion section is the weakest out of the three. However, there are points to be noted. I am fascinated by the reasoning behind there being "two" fish. I think the astrotheological explanations have some merit. I am never a big fan of piecemeal scholarship though everyone has an agenda, no?

I can't disagree with George Carlin though. He seem to be one of those who "gets it." Know what I mean?

5/09/2008 3:44 PM

Blogger David said...

What are your views on 9/11? What do you make of all the evidence pointing to a conspiracy theory whether the evidence may be solid or not?

What about the federal reserve that they talk about in Zeitgeist, what's your opinion?


9/05/2008 1:44 PM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

The alternative hypothesis is much more compelling that the mainstream story. This film highlights the major problems pretty well.

I also believe the federal reserve is economically problematic, as the film states: we are and will be eternally indebted, unable to get out, unless it is dismantled. I like candidates like Ron Paul who plan on eradicating this private organization.

9/06/2008 11:23 AM

Blogger David said...

Ah, that's great. Nice to have a professor who share my views. I'm in your Thursday evening class by the way, and I'm enjoying it very much.

9/06/2008 6:30 PM

Blogger HungerTruth said...

Have you seen 911scholarsfortruth? I'm sure you are familiar with Professor Steven Jones at BYU and David Ray Griffin. They are both high profile guys that have done a lot of work in this area.

Great to know I have students (at least one :-) that are going beyond the homework assigned in class! Good work.

9/06/2008 9:19 PM

Blogger David said...

well I've actually seen zeitgeist about a year ago, just never discussed about it though. I can't wait for Zeitgeist - Addendum on October 3rd to be released

9/08/2008 4:51 PM


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