tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post116216160883571295..comments2012-08-13T12:08:01.148-07:00Comments on HungerTruth: The Synod of Dort, Fear, and Power WorshipHungerTruthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-56758553184066380012008-06-19T23:13:00.000-07:002008-06-19T23:13:00.000-07:00Anna,You are spot on! The God of Reformed theolog...Anna,<BR/><BR/>You are spot on! The God of Reformed theology, the all sovereign God, the God who burns, tortures, is an abusive God. We can say God is so big we can't see, so loving we can't feel, so good we can't question, but the truth is that if we don't protest eternal torture as abusive, then we can't protest anything. Keep up the good work!HungerTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-5774916826270067082008-06-19T02:06:00.000-07:002008-06-19T02:06:00.000-07:00Amen. Fear and love can never coexist. Conceptions...Amen. Fear and love can never coexist. Conceptions of Hell have been perverted so that instead of a God of love, we have a God who compels obedience with fear, power, and control. People who operate this way are called abusive so why does this not extend to dieties too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-84303790849184848672007-12-21T12:16:00.000-08:002007-12-21T12:16:00.000-08:00-i totally agree with dans side.god is love,peroid...-i totally agree with dans side.god is love,peroid.he died for every sin that was ever committed by everyone on this planet whether we beleive this or not.god will reveal this in due time.the book of ephesions states that there will be a restitution of all things.right now there is a veil over the gentiles as well as the jews.starting to make sense.example:try to tell a orthodox jew about jesus Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-66794334760351284312007-07-27T23:09:00.000-07:002007-07-27T23:09:00.000-07:00Speaking things into existence does not automatica...Speaking things into existence does not automatically make ones actions moral or immoral. It is always right to make moral judgments. If we don't, who will? Even a deity can do bad things, so we must always be on guard. <BR/><BR/>Even YHWH is said to have told the Israelites to kill every man, woman and child, except for the virgin women. They would be forced into marriage or sex slavery, HungerTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-65561720603192148042007-07-26T19:02:00.000-07:002007-07-26T19:02:00.000-07:00Dan,Whether or not God is "malicious" can only be ...Dan,<BR/><BR/>Whether or not God is "malicious" can only be determined by God who spoke everything into existence. You and I, made in the image of God, were given an understanding of right and wrong as we interact with the world, but have a limited understanding of how all things work because we are not God. Since you or I am not the Creator, we have no right to judge God's creation when it comesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-9545171849294512502007-07-26T16:16:00.000-07:002007-07-26T16:16:00.000-07:00Notice that you didn't respond to my point about t...Notice that you didn't respond to my point about the definition of God, autonomous, the point about God possibly being malicious, or Abraham's example. <BR/><BR/>Once you respond to these we can talk about the right to judge a more powerful being such as an eternal God. Besides, the fact is, we can all make moral judgments, so why shouldn't we? Abraham did!<BR/><BR/>ShalomHungerTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-85547358037211804312007-07-26T15:39:00.000-07:002007-07-26T15:39:00.000-07:00Dan,Notice that I said "trying" to make yourself a...Dan,<BR/><BR/>Notice that I said "trying" to make yourself autonomous. Of course, you really aren't, because you are a creation living at God's good pleasure within God's realm. Satan didn't like that and we know what happened to him. So, man is only deceiving himself when he trys to judge God actions (Romans 9). Only an equal of God has a right to judge him. Since there are none, God can not be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-26344208337898467982007-07-26T11:40:00.000-07:002007-07-26T11:40:00.000-07:00Kurt,It depends on how you define God. If decidin...Kurt,<BR/><BR/>It depends on how you define God. If deciding what is good and bad, true and false, what is pleasurable and harmful makes one God, then yes. However, I don't think making moral decisions makes anyone God in the ultimate sense. But I would define God as an immortal, everlasting being. Therefore, I could never end up in that class. <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, Adam and Eve were not HungerTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-81419474168916762212007-07-26T07:23:00.000-07:002007-07-26T07:23:00.000-07:00Dan,When you judge God's actions as evil aren't yo...Dan,<BR/><BR/>When you judge God's actions as evil aren't you are making yourself equal or superior to God? In a sense, you are trying to make yourself autonomous (remember Adam and Eve in the garden?) by saying that you know better although that is really a deception, isn't it? See Romans 9:20-22Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-60115012494662639612007-07-13T14:46:00.000-07:002007-07-13T14:46:00.000-07:00Kurt,I'm glad that you see this an effective way t...Kurt,<BR/><BR/>I'm glad that you see this an effective way to uncover what should be seen as immoral worship. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully others will see that I am merely saying that no one should submit to a being just because the being has lived longer and has more power. <BR/><BR/>If God was evil, we should all rebel...rise up...and attempt to overthrow him. This is not about me, but obviously I amHungerTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256182799299950546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-47457113426826574032007-07-12T16:44:00.000-07:002007-07-12T16:44:00.000-07:00"If this is what God is like, I submit that noble,...<I>"If this is what God is like, I submit that noble, righteous, and just creatures should rebel. They should rise up with one heart and attempt to overthrow such a detestable dictator. For this kind of God sounds more like a devil than a saint. If God is good, and I believe God is, then God will stand on the side of those who intend to demolish and overthrow such heinous conceptions of the deityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21939198.post-1162744830457956912006-11-05T08:40:00.000-08:002006-11-05T08:40:00.000-08:00My comments in “(((…)))” under your sectioned orig...My comments in “(((…)))” under your sectioned original posting:<BR/><BR/>The more I reflect upon the history of Christianity, and particularly the Reformed tradition, the more convinced I become that fear is a reoccurring theme and primary motivation for obedience. (((Yes, we are called to “fear God and keep His commandments…Ecc 12:13-14” for we humans, before God’s rescue plan in Grace by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com